27
Mar

The Church Is The Mother Of Us All

   Posted by: Micah   in Uncategorized, theology

Who, or what, is the Church? I hope to not so much definitively answer the question, as much as to address it. There is, among modern Christians a tendency to ignore the idea of the Church. Church is a place to go to see other Christians. To see the Church as an “entity” is to the modern evangelical mind something very Roman Catholic. But the Church is an entity. The Bible tells me so. And she will prevail against the gates of hell.

The first question in what, or who, is the Church is, what, or who, are Christians? There is a simple answer to this, and it is not about a personal relationship. Christians are those who have received a baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Some might say Christians are those who have a good relationship with, or really love Jesus. But that is too ambiguous and subjective. Others say that Christians are the elect. I’m a little more comfortable with this, but again, how can you know? You can’t. But I can answer both of those with baptism. If you are elect, you will love Jesus and want to have a good relationship with Him. If you love Him, you will keep His commandments. One of which is, be baptized.  But what if someone is neither elect, nor loves Jesus, but is baptized? Then he is one of the seeds that took root, but not deeply, and died, or was choked by weeds. God will root him out, either through the normal activities of the faithful Church, or on Judgement Day. But, if someone is baptized and in good standing with the church, I have no choice but to treat him as a brother, encouraging him in love.

So the Church, perhaps, is a collection of baptized Christians. But that can’t be all, because when I have my Christian buddies over, we are not the church. We are members of the church, meeting outside the church. The church is, as Paul tells us, the body of Christ. We, being baptized Christians, are members of that body. Like little fingers and pinky toes. The church extends in time both ways. It is both historical and teleological. But while all Christians are part of the historical church, and we pray for the future church, we are in the present church. The messy one with real people. Being members of a body naturally means having a hierarchy. The pinky toes are not in charge. They are in submission. It is through this submission that we learn to lead, which is to say, to serve. Essentially, the simple answer is that Christians are covenantally bound to the God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and to one another. There is a lot tied up with that; fellowship, accountability, putting up with strange people, compromising opinions that are held as beliefs, dealing with other people, obeying elders, making vows and keeping them, loving one another.  

So, the church is, through time, a group of people, repentant, believing, and covenantally bound by baptism to God and one another, submitting to the hierarchy of authority put in place by God, and extending the hand of fellowship to those who would repent, believe, and be baptized. The church, as the body of Christ, teaches us, feeds us, and gives us rest. It is not possible, where the church is present, to be bound to Christ, and to be at odds with His body, the church.

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4 comments so far

Clayton Pearlstein
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I heartily agree. When I said there is no salvation outside the Church this was my given assumption.
And another analogy for those who are baptized and do not love Jesus can also be identified in John 15. They actually partake of the root but they will finally be cut off. Nonetheless they are the Church as we know it. And these cannot be looked to as proof of salvation being found outside the Church. No matter what goes on inside the Church (I do not say that to sound flippant, I am just choosing not to expound on all of that) we can be sure that salvation is not found outside the Church.

March 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Patti
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Why would someone say that someone who is baptised and is part of a church body (but does not love Jesus, but I assume we can’t readily discern this or they wouldn’t necessarily be in the church) be a proof of salvation being outside the church, Clayton? I would never use that as any kind of proof. And it doesn’t even make any kind of logical sense to use a church-going, baptized person as an example of someone who was saved outside of the church. That appears to be someone who found salvation within the church.
If you have numerous examples in Scripture where people were saved through individual testimony and witness and not through direct contact with a church body wouldn’t that be construed as finding salvation outside of the church? (since I look on the “church” as being the body of Christ=all believers, this is no problem for me).

But then of course, if we’re equating salvation with water baptism (I equate it with spiritual baptism), then I can see where it would be easier to make the case that salvation is not found outside of the church (used in the stricter sense that Clayton has used of the local physical church)

March 27th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Blake Hiett
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Shouldn’t we be equating salvation with union to Christ? If so, then baptism is the ceremony that accomplishes the union, like a wedding uniting a man and a woman. Keeping with that analogy, one that Mica mentioned earlier, I think that we both agree that the internal and external conditions are important. I think that it’s proper to say that the ritual of baptism that Jesus commanded accomplishes the union, regardless of the heart condition of the one being baptized. It is also true that apart from the regeneration of the Spirit and the fruits there of we will not remain. Just like all Israel were baptized in the wilderness, all ate and drank Christ and almost all dropped dead. I think that what is being said is that there is really something happening when these sacraments are administered, and that in them we are united to our salvation. I grant that there are thieves on the cross, but hard cases make bad rules.

March 28th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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I think it is important to clarify that while we say salvation is not found outside the church, it is not the same as saying that salvation is of the church, or generated by it. As Blake said, salvation is found in union with Christ. That same union brings one into the church. It is rarely, “I am saved over here by myself with my Bible.” (Unless you are on a desert island, and a Bible washes up in a bottle. Show me that man, and I will concede the exception.)

The numerous examples you mentioned, Patti, are always of individual testimonies of members of the church, calling others to join the church. Also, salvation is not identical to conversion.

I don’t think that water baptism and spirit baptism are necessarily seperate things (distinct, possibly). I would say the Spirit is given to the church.

March 28th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

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